CHANGE INCIDENT · ORIGINAL FORGE

Prove what changed before you roll Forge back

A failure that appears after an update has a timeline, not yet a cause. Preserve the bad state, match one job across two exact commits, and recover in a separate folder.

Evidence boundary: behavior is inspected against original Forge commit dfdcbab. We did not reproduce a GPU regression locally. Your cause remains UNKNOWN until the matched pair passes.

REGRESSION PROOFONE CONTROLLED JOB
  1. 01
    KNOWN-GOODSame job passesfull commit A
  2. 02
    LOCKED INPUTSArtifacts · seed · settingsextensions off
  3. 03
    FIRST-BADSame job failsfull commit B
Recovery can happen now. Attribution requires both sides.
00 · Short answer

Keep recovery and proof as two separate jobs

Rolling back restores service. A matched before/after comparison identifies whether the update belongs in the cause.

01VERIFIED

Preserve

Commit, status, System info, full log, exact artifacts and failing output.

02UNKNOWN

Compare

Clean current and clean known-good checkouts; one unchanged user job.

03VERIFIED

Act

Isolate the changed layer, recover separately, then file the smallest report.

01 · Symptom router

What changed after the update?

Choose the first broken user job. The branch tells you which variables must be locked before comparing commits.

NEXT DECISION

Prove a startup regression

Save the first console traceback before the browser disconnect. Start a separate clean current checkout with extra extensions disabled. If that starts, the update exposed local state or an extension; if it fails the same way, compare it with the saved known-good commit.

Do next
Preserve both complete startup logs and the exact launch arguments.
Open the owning route
02 · Proof protocol

Build the pair without erasing the incident

Stop when a step cannot be satisfied. The honest result may be UNKNOWN, and that is more useful than a false regression claim.

  1. 01

    Freeze the incident

    Stop changing Forge, extensions, drivers, Python packages and model files. Save the first failure, complete console log and failing output before retrying.

  2. 02

    Identify both source states

    Record the original repository URL and full Forge commit for the last known-good run and current failing run. “Latest” is not a reproducible version.

  3. 03

    Record the whole job

    Save artifact filenames and hashes, prompt, seed, dimensions, sampler, scheduler, steps, CFG, preset, memory controls, launch flags and extension state.

  4. 04

    Repeat the failing run

    Run the exact job again on the current installation. If it does not fail reliably, label the incident intermittent and preserve each outcome.

  5. 05

    Test clean current Forge

    Use a separate clean checkout at the current commit, its own environment and no extra extensions. Add only the required model files and the smallest reproducer.

  6. 06

    Test clean known-good Forge

    Use another separate checkout at the saved commit with its own environment. Repeat the same artifact and job; do not reuse a mutated venv as proof.

  7. 07

    Change one layer at a time

    If clean current passes, add the saved configuration, then one extension or optional component at a time until the failure returns.

  8. 08

    Recover and report separately

    Keep a working known-good copy for production. File a report only after the smallest current-fails / known-good-passes comparison can be repeated.

03 · Matched comparison

Lock every identity-bearing input

The commit is one variable. Everything else must match or be written down as a limitation.

Before/after identity sheet
LayerRecordAcceptance condition
SourceOriginal lllyasviel repository + full commitSame repository; named old and new commits
EnvironmentOS, GPU, driver, Python, Torch, CUDA/runtime packagesSame where possible; differences explicitly listed
ArtifactsModel, VAE, CLIP/T5, LoRA and hashesExactly the same files
GenerationPrompt, negative prompt, seed, size, sampler, scheduler, steps, CFGExactly the same values
Forge controlsPreset, GPU Weights, swap method/location, low bits, flagsExactly the same values
ExtensionsNames, commits and enabled stateNone for core proof; matched for extension proof
EvidenceFull console log, output, elapsed/memory recordsSaved for both sides
VERIFIED

Full System info and --dump-sysinfo are not equivalent

The current full implementation can record commit, Git status, command line, Torch environment, settings, packages and extra-extension revisions. The command-line help describes --dump-sysinfo as limited and without extension or option information. Use the limited dump when startup fails, then add the omitted state manually.

04 · Result matrix

Name only what the pair proves

The clean current run is the hinge: it separates source behavior from accumulated local state.

CURRENT FAILS · OLD PASSESVERIFIED

Credible update regression

Repeat once more, narrow the first bad commit if practical, then report both logs and the minimal job.

BOTH FAILUNKNOWN

Not proven as an update regression

Recheck the artifact, environment, test recipe and whether the alleged known-good state was actually reconstructed.

BOTH PASSUNKNOWN

Incident is intermittent or local state changed

Restore the saved configuration in layers and keep a run ledger. Do not file a deterministic core-regression claim.

CLEAN CURRENT PASSESVERIFIED

Local config, extension, dependency or shared data is implicated

Add one layer at a time. Route extension failures to the extension diagnostic and environment failures to their owning guide.

05 · False positives

Remove the changes that travel with an update

These conditions regularly produce a convincing timeline while leaving the true cause uncontrolled.

01The model changed too

A similarly named NF4, GGUF, FP8 or full-precision file is a different artifact. Match filename and hash.

02The seed was still -1

A random seed guarantees a different output. Reuse a fixed integer and retain the generation parameters.

03An extension updated with Forge

Forge and extension changes are two variables. Save every extension revision and test core without extras.

04The same venv was reused

Checking out source does not restore installed Python packages. Separate environments make the version comparison interpretable.

05Settings followed the new install

Shared config or command-line arguments can carry the failing condition into a “clean” folder. Start with defaults, then add them back.

06Only the browser tab was refreshed

A stale frontend can survive a source restart. Close old tabs, confirm the serving process and capture browser-console errors for UI failures.

07Cold and warm runs were mixed

First launch, model load and compilation/cache work differ from repeated generation. Keep cold observations outside the warm series.

08GPU Weights was pushed to maximum

The official performance note warns that leaving no computation headroom can cause severe slowdown. Match the value before comparing commits.

09The remote is a fork

reForge, Forge Classic and Forge Neo are separate products. A failure there is not evidence about original Forge.

10Local source files were modified

Record Git status and diff. A dirty checkout cannot cleanly attribute behavior to the named upstream commit.

11The official previous archive was treated as universal

The July 2024 F0.0.17 package is a dated snapshot and predates original Forge FLUX support. It is not a generic FLUX rollback.

12Recovery was mistaken for diagnosis

An old build working can restore service, but the exact paired test is still needed to prove which update caused the incident.

06 · Recovery boundary

Restore a known-good state beside the failing one

This page determines the cause. The update guide owns the exact backup, Git checkout and package rollback procedure.

KEEP

Failing evidence copy

Current commit, full log, System info, test job and output. Do not clean or overwrite it before capture.

RUN

Separate known-good copy

Saved commit, independent environment, same artifact and no extra extensions for the first run.

Open the safe Forge update and rollback procedure

STALE SNAPSHOTDo not use F0.0.17 as a generic FLUX rollback. The official previous archive was published before original Forge FLUX support. Restore the commit that you actually proved with the required workflow.

07 · Incident receipt

Know when the evidence is ready

This local checklist uploads and stores nothing. Completing it does not assert a bug; it makes the comparison reproducible.

BEFORE / AFTER RECEIPT0 of 12 facts recorded
0 / 12

Ready means another person can run the same job on both commits.

08 · Minimal report

Give maintainers a runnable boundary

Search existing issues first. Report original Forge only when the reproduced state belongs to the original repository.

  1. 01

    Title

    Name the first broken user job and the first-bad commit; avoid “latest is broken.”

  2. 02

    Boundary

    State current-fails / known-good-passes, or use UNKNOWN when that pair is incomplete.

  3. 03

    Steps

    Number the smallest actions starting from a clean current checkout with extra extensions disabled.

  4. 04

    Expected vs actual

    Describe the measurable difference and attach the matched outputs when visual.

  5. 05

    Builds

    Link the original repository and provide both complete Forge hashes plus Git status.

  6. 06

    System info

    Attach reviewed System info and both complete console logs; redact personal paths, tokens and public-share URLs.

  7. 07

    Artifacts

    List exact model/component filenames, hashes and legitimate publisher pages; do not upload third-party model files.

  8. 08

    Extensions

    Say none, or list each exact extension remote and commit when the extension is essential to reproduce.

UNKNOWN

If one side is missing, say so

“Reproduces on current clean install; last-good commit unknown” is actionable and honest. It is not the same claim as a proven regression.

Search the original Forge issue tracker
09 · Questions users ask

Update regression answers

These questions cover the audited long-tail set without splitting identical diagnostic work across thin pages.

01How do I know whether a Forge update caused the problem?

Reproduce one unchanged job on a clean checkout of the current commit and a separate clean checkout of the last known-good commit. If current fails repeatedly while known-good passes and the environment, artifacts and settings match, you have credible evidence of an update regression.

02Forge broke after update.bat—what should I do first?

Stop changing files. Save the complete console log, current commit, Git status, System info, launch arguments and failing output. Then test a separate clean current install with extra extensions disabled.

03How do I find my current Forge commit?

A Git checkout can use git rev-parse HEAD. Forge also prints a commit hash during launch. Use the complete hash in your notes rather than “latest.”

04What is the difference between last-good and first-bad commits?

Last-good is the newest exact commit where your controlled job passes. First-bad is the earliest exact commit where the same job fails. A large gap identifies a boundary but not the individual change.

05Do I need a fresh install to prove a Forge regression?

Yes for a credible core claim. A separate clean current checkout removes accumulated source edits, extension code and environment history from the first comparison.

06Can I test an old commit in the same Forge folder?

It is possible, but it is weaker evidence because the venv, generated files and settings may remain changed. A separate checkout with its own environment is safer and easier to compare.

07Does git checkout or git switch also roll back Python packages?

No. Git changes tracked source files; it does not reconstruct the exact previously installed Python environment. That is why each comparison checkout should have its own environment.

08Should I delete venv after an update breaks Forge?

Not first. Preserve evidence and identify the failure boundary. If you need a clean environment, create it in a separate checkout or rename the verified Forge-local venv so the previous state remains recoverable.

09How do I test whether an extension broke after a Forge update?

Start current Forge with --disable-extra-extensions. If core generation passes, enable only the affected extension and record its remote and commit. Test cross-extension pairs only when each extension passes alone.

10What if Forge works with --disable-extra-extensions?

That result implicates an extra extension or extension interaction, not core Forge. Continue with the extension and Gradio diagnostic instead of rolling back the core immediately.

11What if Forge still fails with --disable-extra-extensions?

Built-in extensions still load with that flag. For a deeper diagnostic, --disable-all-extensions prevents all extensions from loading. Record which flag produced each result.

12Why did FLUX stop working after a Forge update?

Do not assume the source changed first. Match the diffusion model and hash, quantization, VAE, CLIP-L, T5, preset, memory controls and extension state. Then compare clean current and known-good commits.

13Can I use the official previous Forge package to fix FLUX?

No as a generic FLUX rollback. The official previous F0.0.17 archive was published in July 2024 before original Forge added FLUX support. Use a commit you personally verified with your FLUX workflow.

14Why did images change even with the same prompt?

Prompt alone is not a fixed job. Match the exact artifact hashes, seed, size, sampler, scheduler, steps, CFG, VAE/text encoders, preset, extensions and relevant Forge controls.

15How do I prove a Forge speed regression?

Use the dedicated benchmark protocol: same hardware and artifacts, matched settings, separate cold and warm observations, multiple retained runs, and full logs for both named commits.

16Is one slower generation enough to report a regression?

No. First-run loading, caching, temperature and background work can distort one observation. Repeat a controlled warm series and retain all results.

17What does Forge System info contain?

The full System info implementation records Forge version and commit, Git status, command line, Torch environment, hardware, settings, packages, enabled and inactive extra-extension revisions, and startup information. Review it before sharing.

18Is --dump-sysinfo the same as full Forge System info?

No. At the inspected commit, the command-line help explicitly describes --dump-sysinfo as limited and without extension or option information. Use it for a startup failure, but add the missing state manually.

19What should I redact from a Forge bug report?

Review local paths, usernames, tokens, authentication values, private remotes, prompts and public share URLs. Forge hides matching Gradio/API auth arguments in System info, but you still need to inspect the file and logs.

20Where should I report an original Forge regression?

Use the original lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forge issue tracker after searching for an existing report. Do not report a fork-specific failure as an original Forge bug.

21Can I roll back now and investigate later?

Yes, if you first preserve the failing commit, logs, System info and minimal job. Restore a known-good state in another folder so recovery does not erase the evidence.

22What if I never recorded the last working commit?

The exact boundary is UNKNOWN. Inspect logs, old System info, folder copies or launch screenshots for a hash. If none exists, establish a new baseline instead of guessing an old version.

23What if the bug happens only sometimes?

Label it intermittent, record every pass and failure, and look for uncontrolled differences such as memory pressure, extension order, shared state or warm/cold conditions. Do not present it as deterministic.

24What makes a minimal Forge bug report useful?

One original-repository issue, one smallest repeatable job, current-fails / known-good-passes evidence, both complete commits and logs, reviewed System info, exact artifacts, extension state, and clear expected versus actual behavior.

10 · Evidence and next routes

Current code defines controls; reports define user language

Dated tutorials and incidents reveal failure patterns. They do not establish universal behavior or overwrite current original-Forge code.

VERIFIED

Current code

System info, extension-disable behavior and inspected head are tied to dfdcbab.

COMMUNITY-REPORTED

Incidents

Issues show real report shapes and symptoms, not a universal root cause.

STALE SNAPSHOT

Dated guidance

Announcements, release and transcript retain their dates and capability boundaries.

UNKNOWN

Your regression

No cause is assigned until the matched current-fails / known-good-passes pair exists.

REVIEWED SOURCES · 15
O03 · Official previous releaseSTALE SNAPSHOT

Catalog source checked again: one F0.0.17 archive published 22 July 2024; not a universal rollback.

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O05 · Main commit historyVERIFIED

Catalog source and fresh API check identify the inspected main head and exact change history.

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O13 · Gradio 4 announcement #853STALE SNAPSHOT

Maintainer warned that some extensions could break; the 2024 percentage is not a current guarantee.

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O18 · Performance differences #1181VERIFIED

Maintainer asks for full before/after logs around named commits and warns against mismatched models and settings.

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V03 · Forge and FLUX walkthroughSTALE SNAPSHOT

Full transcript checked: commit lookup, dated rollback scripts and old/new feature boundaries; commands were not adopted as authority.

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R17 · Extension breakage threadCOMMUNITY-REPORTED

User language for Gradio/update failures; anecdotal, fork suggestions excluded.

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R24 · “Latest broke FLUX” threadCOMMUNITY-REPORTED

Update/reinstall intent from the catalog; inaccessible in the fresh pass and not used as product proof.

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Current sysinfo implementationVERIFIED

Fresh code inspection: commit, status, environment, config, package and extension revision fields.

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Current command argumentsVERIFIED

Fresh code inspection: disable-extra, disable-all and limited dump-sysinfo flags.

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Current extension loaderVERIFIED

Fresh code inspection: exact behavior of both extension-disable flags.

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Forge announcement #801STALE SNAPSHOT

Maintainer backup warning and dated 29be1da pre-change reference.

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Issue #467 · controlled report shapeCOMMUNITY-REPORTED

Fresh issue review: clean install, extension checklist, steps, sysinfo and complete logs; symptom is not generalized.

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Issue #1599 · extension failuresCOMMUNITY-REPORTED

Fresh issue review: core generation worked while multiple extension callbacks failed after a dated update.

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Issue #1620 · rollback intentCOMMUNITY-REPORTED

Fresh issue review: user requested an old version after extension failures; request alone does not prove cause.

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Current main commitVERIFIED

Fresh API check on 3 September 2026: dfdcbab, dated 26 June 2025.

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INSPECTED TARGETOriginal Forge onlydfdcbab685e57677014f05a3309b48cc87383167
REVIEWED3 Sep 2026Code, source and transcript review; no GPU regression run
OWNERSHIPForge Field Guide editorial teamReviewed by Forge Field Guide technical review; update when reporting or sysinfo behavior changes